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Vox Day’s amazing ego, and Bill Dembski don’t care

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It’s been a long time since I paid any attention to Bill Dembski or Vox Day/Theodore Beale, but they seem to have found each other in an unholy marriage of stupidity. Vox has “published” a new article called MITTENS 3.0 — MITTENS is an acronym for Mathematical Impossibility of The Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection — and it attempts to use mathematics to disprove evolution, using the data from the Long-Term Evolution Experiment by Richard Lenski.

It’s not really “published” in the sense of scientific publishing. There was no peer review, but just a dump of his assertions to an archive with no critical assessment. He compares the data from the LTEE to known divergence rates between Homo sapiens and chimpanzees, asking whether documented mutation rates in E. coli are sufficient to account for the 35 million single-nucleotide variation between two primate species. He says not.

The numbers are clear. At the non-mutator rate, 191 fixations can be accomplished in 252,000 generations. The requirement is 205 million. The shortfall is 1,075,000-fold.

Unfortunately for him, he exposes his methodology. He looks at the rate for a single mutation to go to fixation, divides the number of generations (252,000) by that rate, and concludes that there has only been time to accumulate 191 mutations. That’s true, if each trait has to wait for the previous mutation to go to fixation before it can be selected/drift to fixation itself. This is not how evolution works. Evolution is a property of populations and involves massively parallel action on multiple traits and individuals at once. Vox is using the typical simple-minded sequential estimations that simple-minded creationists have been using for decades to disprove their cartoon version of evolution. It’s ridiculous.

But Bill Dembski sees a naive “disproof” of evolution and decides that he and the author must be bestest buddies, and grants him a long interview in which Vox gets to thump his chest and gloat. Nowhere in this interview does Bill bring up Vox Day’s long history of coarse racism and ugly misogyny, nor does he bother to dig into the mathematics of Vox’s “disproof,” which is surprising since Dembski is purportedly a mathematician. Instead, it’s a long exercise in sucking up to Vox’s ego.

For instance, Vox has an undergraduate degree in economics and East Asian studies from Bucknell University, a small private liberal arts college. He does not have a science degree, and by his own admission he did not exactly apply himself to his studies.

Bill: You graduated from Bucknell University with majors in economics and East Asian studies. Please describe your training in economics in detail. What mathematics, probability, statistics, econometrics, or modeling did the program teach you, and which parts of that training have proved most relevant to your work on evolution?

Vox: My econ program covered all of those things except probability, although I didn’t take a course in modeling because my focus was on the historical process of development in late-developing countries like Japan and the Soviet Union. I did independent studies under Michael Moohr and Robert Chernomas, so my studies were a little bit more Marxian than was customary at the time. I would say developing an intuitive grasp of statistics, their limits, and how important it is to understand them contextually is what proved to be most relevant to all of my subsequent work, in games, evolution, and philosophy.

That’s not a very detailed answer. Any student who tells me that their achievement was developing an intuitive grasp of a subject is bullshitting me. Then he confirms it: Vox Day was a slacker who learned nothing in college.

Bill: Did you pursue any graduate study, professional research, or sustained independent work in mathematical economics or mathematics more generally after Bucknell?

Vox: None whatsoever. My biggest educational regret is not dropping out after my first semester sophomore year. I consider academic credentials to be a pointless waste of time. At Bucknell I seldom went to class and sometimes didn’t even bother buying the textbook. Once my professors realized that I was doing fine academically without doing the reading or attending the classes, they switched me to independent studies. I barely went to to a class my senior year.

He wishes he dropped out after his first semester, he seldom went to class, and didn’t bother reading the textbook — and he probably thinks that means he must have been a genius, rather than a lazy goof. It doesn’t speak well of Bucknell or his professors that they decided to get rid of him by putting him in a program of independent studies, rather than flunking him. I sorta sympathize with them. You get attached to your students and want to help them succeed, so you coach them through and design a limited curriculum that matches their abilities to allow them to finish the program. I guess we’re doing the students no favor if that just means their ego is stoked.

So if he has no background in or comprehension of biology, how did he write MITTENS? He explains it all:

Vox: AI did all the calculations and wrote the first draft of everything. It also provided about 750 of the 20 effective criticisms that improved the paper. I don’t think most people understand the first thing about the proper way to use AI to augment your outputs. If you don’t really know what you’re doing, AI will do nothing but defend its training and convince you that you’re wrong. I address this in great detail in Hardcoded, a book I wrote about the process of writing PZ and TFG.

[PZ is his book, Probability Zero, and has nothing to do with me; TFG is The Frozen Gene, another book he hacked together with AI. Isn’t AI wonderful? So many words, so much nonsense.]

Apparently the proper way to use AI is to hammer its outputs through multiple iterations until it tells you the answer you want to hear.

Well, but surely he had the work reviewed and evaluated by his colleagues? Nope, he has no colleagues. He has more AI.

Vox: My first, foremost, and primary form of feedback is from my Red Team. For all my papers, non-fiction books, and translations, I run them through a Red Team Stress Test comprised of ChatGPT, Deepseek, Gemini, and Grok instructed to take a hard oppositional stance. They produce detailed and extensive criticisms, most of which are obviously erroneous in some way, but even when incorrect, often produce new lines of attack. I seldom bother with human feedback. But both PZ and TFG were sent out pre-release to about ten volunteer readers, who ranged from a world-class physicist to a number of mathematicians with PhDs. I got some very good suggestions for improvement from a few of them, and even an Introduction and an Appendix from Dr. Tipler. But none of them had anything to add that fundamentally altered the work; I discovered and resolved the Kimura and LTEE [Long-Term Evolution Experiment] anomalies on my own after the fact.

Oh, well, he’s got the approval of notorious crank Frank J. Tipler, who has written multiple books on the physics of the supernatural and also writes for the Discovery Institute. So much credibility, wow. I’ll have to quote Wikipedia on Tipler to give you a little background.

Frank Jennings Tipler (born February 1, 1947) is an American mathematical physicist and cosmologist, holding a joint appointment in the Departments of Mathematics and Physics at Tulane University.[2] Tipler has written books and papers on the Omega Point based on Pierre Teilhard de Chardin’s religious ideas, which he claims is a mechanism for the resurrection of the dead. He is also known for his theories on the Tipler cylinder time machine. His work has attracted criticism from many, for example cosmologist George Ellis, who has argued that his theories are largely pseudoscience.

The bulk of the wikipedia article is about all the people who reject his nonsense. But sure, Vox Day has one supporter with legitimate academic credentials, that he was too lazy/incompetent to earn for himself. Otherwise, he’s just smarter than Kimura and Lenski.

He really does think he has disproven all of evolution all by himself, with a paper that contains all of 11 citations (a number I’d find unacceptable in an undergrad student paper that was much more narrow in its scope). Even worse, 7 of those citations are to the LTEE, and contradict his conclusions, and 2 are to ape genome sequencing papers whose authors would be surprised to learn how their work is being distorted. At least he has 2 that reinforce his argument, sorta, but they’re both also written by Vox Day.

So this is an argument made by an unqualified buffoon who churned it out of a battery of AIs, written with negligible knowledge of the scientific literature, and rubber-stamped by a couple of biased dorks from the Discovery Institute. But have no fear, his anti-evolution sentiment is not based on religious dogma at all.

Bill: To what degree, if at all, do religious considerations motivate you, not so much in the arguments you make but in the fact that you are making arguments against neo-Darwinism at all? In 2008, you published a book titled The Irrational Atheists, taking on what were then “the New Atheists” — Dawkins, Dennett, Hitchens, and Harris. They all lean heavily on Darwin to support their atheism. Did your religious leanings or your anti-atheistic leanings at all motivate your work criticizing evolution? Briefly, can you state your religious faith, whatever it may be?

Vox: Not at all. My faith is not based upon the historical origins of homo sapiens sapiens or any other species. I believe in material evil and I believe that Jesus Christ is the only thing standing between Man and his enslavement by that evil. I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of Heaven and Earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God… In sum, I’m a Nicene Creed Christian.

And he has a flaming sword. Can’t argue with that.

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There is no ethical use of AI

If you ignore all of that, you are trying to negotiate what level of harm to others you find acceptable for your personal, selfish benefit. You advance the agenda of these hollow-eyed joyless money-ghouls who resent art, creativity, and life itself.

The machine is disgusting and must be destroyed

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